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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Practically speaking, probably the easiest way to do what you want is to do a diff between a query that contains (wanted+unwanted)
and a query that contains just (unwanted). <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> cwb-bounces@sslmit.unibo.it <cwb-bounces@sslmit.unibo.it>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Josep M. Fontana<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 28 July 2020 20:23<br>
<b>To:</b> cwb@sslmit.unibo.it<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CWB] Regular expressions with word groups<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p>Hi Andrés,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Yes, you understand correctly. In this search that I gave as an example:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>[(word="f[ei]rid.*")|(word="muert[ao].*")] !(([(pos="S.*") & (word="d.*")][word=".*el"][word="ca[buv]allo.*"])|[word="entierra"]|([word="en"][word="tierra"]))<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I want an expression matching any of the patterns within the first pair of square brackers '[ ]' followed by any words or word groups that are NOT either "del cauallo" (or any of its variations), "entierra" or "en tierra".
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>If I place the ! before the parenthesis enclosing the rest of word groups, I still get "muerto en tierra". If I place it before the parenthesis including the word group "en tierra" (like this
<span style="font-family:"Segoe UI Symbol",sans-serif">➝</span> !([word="en"][word="tierra"]) I still get "muerto en tierra".
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I assume the example that appears in the manual (i.e. [(lemma="go") & !(word="went"%c | word="gone"%c)]; ) works but I'm wondering whether the '!' operator only works when it appears within a group enclosed in '[ ]'.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>The kind of regular expression I'm using cannot be all included within '[ ]'. When I don't use the ! operator it works perfectly and I get "muerto en tierra", "muerto entierra", "muerto del cavallo", etc. Why can't I negate the whole thing by placing a single
! somewhere? I've tried placing the ! after the first parenthesis and it doesn't work either.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>JM<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Maybe I'm wrong, but I understand that you want nothing from the ! on....<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">check this regex from the manual:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Courier New"">[(lemma="go") & !(word="went"%c | word="gone"%c)];</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I hope it is what you're looking for, if so, it is just a thing of notation....<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">El Mar, 28 de Julio de 2020, 19:56, Josep M. Fontana escribió:<br>
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<p>Thanks Andrews and/or Andreses for your quick responses,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I have had problems with both of our suggestions. In principle I would like to use a single ! operator for the whole regular expression pattern rather than having to add it to every relevant subpattern.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>But wherever I place the '!' i don't seem to get the desired results. So, if I do the following:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>[(word="f[ei]rid.*")|(word="muert[ao].*")] !(([(pos="S.*") & (word="d.*")][word=".*el"][word="ca[buv]allo.*"])|[word="entierra"]|([word="en"][word="tierra"]))<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>one of the first hits I get is:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black;background:#C2D3DA"> </span></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black;background:#C2D3DA">cayo<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><strong><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">muerto</span></strong><span class="apple-converted-space"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></b></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black;background:#C2D3DA">en
tierra</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p>This should be out because the last of the word groups that I have is ([word="en"][word="tierra"]). Shouldn't the ! operator have scope over the last group as well?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Josep M.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I'm fairly sure you just use ! if you're not testing a specific annotation. Place ! before the left parenthesis of the group you're trying to test. So if you're trying to test the negation of that entire group, just add ! to the front of
it. See 2.6 in the CQP Tutorial.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">All the best,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Andrew<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 11:15 AM Josep M. Fontana <a href="mailto:josepm.fontana@upf.edu">
josepm.fontana@upf.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi,<br>
<br>
I don't know whether this is the right forum to ask this particular kind <br>
of question but I figure there are enough people here with sufficient <br>
experience to lend me a hand with this problem. If you cannot answer the <br>
question but you can point me to some other forum/group where I can find <br>
help, I would appreciate it.<br>
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So, I have the following regular expression to identify a set of <br>
expressions that can appear in a particular position in the text. What I <br>
would like to do is to create the negation of this regular expression. <br>
That is, any string/expression/group of expressions that does NOT <br>
contain the expressions in these groups.<br>
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I know how to use the != operator for a particular item (word, pos, <br>
lemma) but where would one insert this operator to have scope over the <br>
whole group of expressions that match this pattern? Thanks in advance.<br>
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(([(pos="S.*") & <br>
(word="d.*")][word=".*el"][word="ca[buv]allo.*"])|[word="entierra"]|([word="en"][word="tierra"]))<br>
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