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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#156082;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Hi Chelsey,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#156082;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Apologies, I overlooked this one because it wasn’t under the same subject line (perils of replying to a list digest I’m afraid.)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#156082;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">If you are getting <b>"ora[i,]n" %cd</b> in Query history, that looks very much like a simple query parser misconfiguration. You
will need to contact the server administrator at Glasgow (I’m unaware who that is) to resolve the issue.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#156082;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">For the record, if you use the following in simple query / ignore case<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#156082;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> ora[i,]n<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#156082;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">then that is equivalent to the following in CQP syntax<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>"orai?n"%cd<o:p></o:p></b></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#156082;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Therefore, if simple query is not working, you can switch to CQP syntax and use the above query string to get accented and unaccented
forms with or without the I.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#156082;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">FYI: as you suspected, the
<b>%cd</b> means case-insensitive, diacritic-insensitive – but <i>only</i> in CQP syntax, not Simple Query. IE it is the consequence of using a case insensitive mode query (diacritic sensitivity defaults to “off” without you doing anything in Simple Query).
The presence of <b>%cd</b> alongside the Simple query <b>"ora[i,]n"</b> in your QH is what suggests the simple query is not being parsed correctly by the system.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#156082;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Best<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#156082;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Andrew.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Thank you everyone for your replies!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Query issue: Corpus na Gàidhlig, CQPweb, simple query (ignore case)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">I see now that the issue persists when I select "accent insensitive". Then the query "ora[i,]n" displays as this in the query history: ""ora[i,]n" %cd". I don't understand the "%cd" symbol. Is it ignore case? Either
way, the accent insensitive selection affects the query and I'll only get results with variants of "orain". As a work around I did this "<a href="https://dasg.arts.gla.ac.uk/CQPweb/dasg/index.php?ui=search&insertString=%5B%C3%B2ra%2C%C3%B2rai%2Cora%2Corai%2C%C3%B3ra%2C%C3%B3rai%2Camhra%2Camhrai%5Dn&insertType=sq_nocase">[òra,òrai,ora,orai,óra,órai]n</a>"
and was able to get accented versions or "oran" and "orain".<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">I don't know enough to verify the preprocessing or indexing question. I see in the corpus metadata that there is no word-level annotation and the STTR is not cached for the tokens<span class="hyphen">—</span>though
I don't comprehend those things or know if that answers that question.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Thanks again,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Chelsey<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Hello all,?Oddly, and for what it's worth, I created an account, ran the same query, and got the intended answers, i.e. oran and orain.Best,?Graham.Envoy? depuis mon appareil Galaxy<br>
-------- Message d'origine --------De : Stephanie Evert <<a href="mailto:stefanML@collocations.de">stefanML@collocations.de</a>> Date : 17/07/2024 13:44 (GMT+01:00) ? : CWBdev Mailing List <<a href="mailto:cwb@sslmit.unibo.it">cwb@sslmit.unibo.it</a>> Objet
: Re: [CWB] query efficiency issue > I'm having difficulties with a query in Corpus na G?idhlig. When I search "ora[i,]n" it only retrieves "oran" instead of also retrieving "orain". Does anyone have any advice on this? Is this a bug?I suspect we'll only be
able to help you if you tell us which Web interface you used to run the query.? I suppose it is some CQPweb installation?Your query ora[i,]nshould work as a simple query (CEQL syntax) and find both words.? If it doesn't, there might be something wrong
with corpus preprocessing or indexing ? or the form simply doesn't exist in the corpus. Do you know it's actually there?You could also try different variants of the query or search for both forms separately. [oran,orain] oran orainBest,Stephanie_______________________________________________CWB
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For the record it?s this server: <a href="https://dasg.arts.gla.ac.uk/CQPweb/">https://dasg.arts.gla.ac.uk/CQPweb/</a><br>
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From: <a href="mailto:cwb-bounces@sslmit.unibo.it">cwb-bounces@sslmit.unibo.it</a> <<a href="mailto:cwb-bounces@sslmit.unibo.it">cwb-bounces@sslmit.unibo.it</a>> On Behalf Of graham.ranger<br>
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Hello all,<br>
Oddly, and for what it's worth, I created an account, ran the same query, and got the intended answers, i.e. oran and orain.<br>
Best,<br>
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Envoy? depuis mon appareil Galaxy<br>
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> I'm having difficulties with a query in Corpus na G?idhlig. When I search "ora[i,]n" it only retrieves "oran" instead of also retrieving "orain". Does anyone have any advice on this? Is this a bug?<br>
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I suspect we'll only be able to help you if you tell us which Web interface you used to run the query. I suppose it is some CQPweb installation?<br>
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Your query<br>
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ora[i,]n<br>
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should work as a simple query (CEQL syntax) and find both words. If it doesn't, there might be something wrong with corpus preprocessing or indexing ? or the form simply doesn't exist in the corpus. Do you know it's actually there?<br>
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You could also try different variants of the query or search for both forms separately.<br>
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[oran,orain]<br>
oran<br>
orain<br>
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Best,<br>
Stephanie<br>
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